The Biggest Problem With Krav Maga Disarms

The Biggest Problem With Krav Maga Disarms

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In the informative and engaging video, ‘The Biggest Problem With Krav Maga Disarms,’ the host of the Hard2Hurt YouTube channel, Icy Mike, collaborates with Aaron Janetti, a proficient Krav Maga practitioner. They analyse common misconceptions and problematic practices related to gun disarmament techniques often taught in Krav Maga. Mike critics the common, but potentially dangerous, practice of immediately brandishing the confiscated weapon back towards the assailant. The video artfully blends real-life anecdotes, technical insights, and practical demonstrations to educate viewers on the realistic complexities involved in disarmament scenarios in self-defense situations.



Modern Self-defence: Challenging Popular Misconceptions and Practical Moves

Misconceptions are part and parcel of any discipline, and martial arts are no exception. Krav Maga enthusiasts, particularly, need to address this common mistake with a key disarm technique. The argument centers around one aspect, a move that is so ingrained in the arsenal of a Krav Maga practitioner – the handgun disarm. In a typical handgun disarm, the practitioner swiftly disarms the opponent and then quickly aims the weapon back at them, holding it like a hamburger. This grip, as demonstrated by Icy Mike from Hard2Hurt, refers to the weapon held sideways in front of the practitioner. The issue, Icy Mike points out, is not that hitting someone with a gun doesn’t work. The problem lies in the inherent training that prompts the practitioner to immediately assume this position, regardless of the circumstances. This may work well in training, but in a real-life dangerous situation, this might not be the most effective, or indeed, the safest reaction. The most notable problem, Icy Mike elaborates, arises from the assumption that the opponent will essentially freeze while you execute your disarm and subsequent steps. However, in reality, a person posing a threat with a gun will not likely remain passive and allow their weapon to be confiscated. They’ll be gearing up to react, move and potentially fight back. This uniform response mindset compounds the danger when there is no time to second guess or execute a step-by-step technique. Crystalizing a variable technique to an individual step-by-step move is not the soundest method in a real-life emergency. The renowned self-defense instructor and martial artist Aaron Janetti demonstrates this fact brilliantly. Rather than sticking to a strict sequence, he emphasises the value of integrating weapon control into a pre-existing fighting style – keeping an eye on the gun while remaining ready to strike the opponent in any necessary capacity. This approach advocates for nuanced decision-making and actions that might include hitting with the weapon, getting rid of it to draw your weapon, or using one hand to control the gun while also wrestling. These techniques underline the importance of adaptability and realistic self-defense training that accommodates the unexpected nature of real-life encounters. This concept goes beyond the confines of Krav Maga. It serves as a critical lesson for all martial artists, highlighting the danger of oversimplifying a self-defense situation. Prescribed responses work wonderfully in controlled, predictable environments. However, confronting an active, unpredictable threat necessitates a more dynamic, flexible approach. Instead of presenting the one-size-fits-all tutorials, self-defense instruction should incorporate the complexity of the real world, preparing practitioners for uncontrolled situations. Automatically resorting to the ‘hamburger’ hold in every disarm scenario is not the most strategic approach. Instead, it proves how critical it is to adapt to each situation uniquely, separating a well-marketed martial art technique from a practical self-defense skill. Still, it’s necessary to note that each situation will warrant different responses, and practitioners must be trained to evaluate threats accurately and respond correspondingly. Knowledge and practice of nuanced, realistic self-defence techniques might be the decisive factor that could potentially save a life during a dangerous encounter. At the end of the day, the key takeaway is this: Adaptability, lucidity, and critical thinking should be at the core of modern self-defense. In training as in combat, it’s imperative to remember – every move won’t fit every situation. Achieving a true understanding of this principle will contribute significantly to the efficacy, and consequently, the advancement of modern self defense. Remember, stay safe, stay adaptable, and stay ready. This debate peels back the curtain on a deeper dialogue around the realism and practicality of martial arts – a subject that often goes undiscussed but warrants our attention if we’re to continue growing, learning, and developing within this incredible discipline. The key takeaway for all martial artists is understanding not just the how, but also the when and why of each move they execute, and always questioning if there’s a more effective or sensible approach in real-world situations. Remember, stay vigilant, adapt, and continuously challenge your techniques for effective self-defense.

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Hard2Hurt is a dynamic YouTube channel headed by Icy Mike, a self-defense enthusiast and former police officer. The channel focuses on practical fight tips and self-defense techniques, presenting viewers with real-world scenarios and solutions. Icy Mike’s aggressive yet educational style resonates with his vast audience, earning him high accolades.

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  1. I'm doing Krav maga for 3 year now and my trainer dont teach this. He teach if you get the gun step back hold one hand up and if necessary use the gun. I agree with this video some thing in krav maga are bizar but I would say not all krav maga course arrent the same , some teach something different

  2. Could anybody please explain why I should use a Pistol (Long distance weapon) as a SHORT distance weapon? 😆😆😆😆

    THAT'S what I never understood in those Demos ..

    Please Show me how you disarm Somebody who stands 10 foot away from you. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

  3. That's true, that's why you should train under pressure. Some schools do that, and it automatically shows what works and what does not.

  4. Hi i live in Australia and i am asking can you please do a video on how to kill a psycho dog! I had to help my neighbours daughter on Saturday 10th. Long story short i kicked the crap out of his head, punched multiple times downwards while dropping my bodyweight and nothing! In the end i managed to get the child into the bathroom so i could kill this bloody thing. I landed a perfect kick and the dog flew backwards into the bathtub but i got bitten and slipped. My adrenaline was so high i don't know how i got up so quick and shaped up to this possessed dog while screaming in a deep voice! Come on c…t over and over. My ugg boots are stuffed because the sole has literally moved backwards and distorted! In Australia too many morons let there dogs run freely off leash on the street. If i knew it was a dog situation? I would have put my steel caps on and full fingered welding gloves. Also a weapon to strike with. Any reply appreciated! That sort of tutorial i could teach my 3 kids just in case! Subbed and liked 👍 cheers from Australia 🙂

  5. in a normal robbery situation, the recommended thing is not to react and hand over your belongings, or if possible react and try to get the gun?

  6. New fan binge watching your amazing videos. I'm new student martial arts (1 year), and find your videos very informative. Also, Mike is funny and makes me laugh.

  7. There's a lot wrong with this video. The idea isn't to disarm, it's to redirect and attack, and before you run away, don't just leave the perp with the weapon. The technique for taking the weapon gives you leverage, but hopefully you've softened the person up first. Note also the technique prefers that you go for the wrist, in case of a small gun, a knife, or the person pulls back.

    But let me emphasize that this is a last ditch technique. He says it isn't all that reliable, but I'd like to see that "reliable" technique so I can start practicing it. You should have used awareness, avoidance, and compliance/de-escalation to not get into a situation where you're fighting someone with a gun. The redirect+attack+disarm is for when you feel certain the person will kill you anyway, so you might as well roll the dice.

    I could go on, but ultimately I think this instructor is projecting his competition and victory mindset onto a self-defense system that has only survival in mind.

  8. Every time I watch these gun defense techniques I can't help but wonder, has anyone tried holding the slide of a firearm being fired? Even if it is a revolver and you dont have a slide to deal with, we used to do trick, put a tissue over a revolver and fire it and watch it burst into flames. It is HOT. Unless you get your thumb under the hammer, (and that is going to hurt too), or on certain semi auto's get the slide to move back just enough to disengage the firing pin, that gun is going off and if you are not ready to experience what is about to happen….I would imagine more people would let go than stay holding on and following through with technique. I get it, any chance is better than no chance, but… Hey, I am no expert.

  9. I am not going to argue the 21 foot rule is a real thing, but I will say, This whole standing next to who you are going to shoot, is already ridiculous.
    Arguing against Krav Maga is silly. It is not an art. It is a collection of martial arts.
    My Marine Corp. hand to hand has always worked for me.
    It is flanking movements, and striking target points hard and fast and extracting fast. It beats all forms of martial arts.
    No one has time for a tournament.
    It works in combat, in a bar, or on the street.

  10. Just one thought why in Krav Maga, after disarming, the opponent is immediately hit with the weapon: Krav Maga was developed for soldiers. Soldiers usually don't just have one weapon. So I would imagine that the reason for immediately hitting the opponent with his weapon is to prevent him from drawing another weapon and take him out as quickly as possible. I may be wrong but that's just a thought. Greetings from Austria and PS: Congratulation to your Channel! Real good stuff!

  11. I look at self defense methods as a tree with branches. In any technique there is a start… but depending on what happens you may take a different branch. Never force a technique to be just one way and no matter what happens you must follow the technique through. Situations change in fractions of a second.

  12. My thing isn't about grabbing the gun, but rather knocking it out of hand with your dom hand on the inner wrist and the rec hand on the outer gun. You gotta be trained to grab the gun, but you have to have the grip to actually grab and take it. I don't have that grip, so I slap the wrist and the gun in opposite directions to at least make it to where the gun isn't in the opposition's hand anymore

  13. I am 5ft two I way 136 lb .. over the last six years I have taught myself to defend myself with a staff an axe handle and just the way I've been watching all you guys and I've been putting it all into play with a dummy of course and my housemate helps me I have a broken femur apparently won't be healed for a few more years I'm not taking the chance I taught myself to fight dirty I had a rough life and I had to

  14. I know I’m nobody but…. The single most ignored skilled in the modern age reference to armed responses is the draw.
    If you can’t get your defensive tool out and deployed in blinding speed do use it

  15. Worst I saw was a disarm when the first guy finished he handed his partner the gun for the 2nd guy's turn. Talk about a bad habit to get into. We always dropped the gun when the technique was over and made our partner pick it up off the floor as if the 1st guy dropped it in the scuffle.

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